From Corporate to Coach to Online Business Boss with Stephanie Dodier

by | Nov 1, 2023 | Podcast

As your host, I can’t wait for you to be inspired by Stephanie Dodier’s journey from a corporate executive to a successful entrepreneur. Stephanie shares her struggle with body image and self-worth, which eventually served as a catalyst for her career shift. Her determination to overcome self-worth issues and the resilience to make things work is a beacon of motivation for everyone desiring more in life.

Switching gears to the wellness industry, Stephanie exposes the dark side of diet culture and weight control. Drawing from her personal battle with weight for a quarter of a century, Stephanie’s mission is to guide others to heal their relationship with their bodies and food. She emphasizes the importance of understanding the emotional rollercoaster that professionals often experience when they transition away from traditional nutrition. It’s time to burst the bubble of wellness industry deceptions and normalize the anger and resentment caused by trust exploitation.

Wrapping up our conversation, we delve into Stephanie’s rebirth as a non-diet health coach. A trailblazer in her field, she’s creating a new model that caters to those wishing to embark on their own self-improvement journey, as well as those aspiring to be certified in non-diet coaching. Stephanie’s non-diet coaching certification program is a beacon for health professionals seeking to liberate themselves and their clients from the shackles of diet culture. Tune in to hear more about Stephanie Dodier’s incredible journey, which will inspire you to leap towards your passion and redefine your life path.

“I want people to recognize also, that God or the universe, whatever your believe in to will send you people along the way to confirm you are in the right path.” – Stephanie Dodier

“It’s telling your story in words that will meet people in a way that will feel safe to people and presenting them a way to work with you.”  – 
Stephanie Dodier

“Along the way, it was like a leap of faith but the universe kept confirming that I was on the right path, I was scared but I was on the right path.” –
 Stephanie Dodier

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Hey, hey there, friends, Welcome back to the Flow Business Podcast. I’m Shawn, your host, and this is your place to build a business that feels good, is fun and flows with your life. Today we’re mixing things up a little bit and I’m bringing on a very special guest, my friend Stephanie Dodie, and really what I want to do, and why I wanted her on the show, is just to start sharing real life stories of starting a business, growing a business, pivoting a business, all these things that we talk about here on the show. But then just getting these stories from people who have been there, done that, had some ups and downs along the way. Stephanie’s a friend of mine. I’ve been a part of her journey and known about her business journey for the past probably six or seven years now and watching it grow and develop and change and knew I wanted to have her on just to share a little bit more about what she does and how she has grown her business to be what it is today. I think sharing these stories and for you hearing their stories, there’s these common themes that come from all of them. That is like not knowing what was next, having to take a leap of faith, not having it all figured out from the start and just really having to have this drive to make things work and to want more for yourself and your life. And that’s what Stephanie really gets into today in her journey. So let me tell you a little bit about Stephanie. She is a clinical nutritionist, certified intuitive eating counselor, host of two top ranking podcasts in the non diet industry and creator of the going beyond the food method. She founded undiet your life, a global coaching and online training platform focused on helping women make peace with food and their body so that they can live a fulfilling life. Right now, she is also the founder of undiet your coaching practice, a global professional training platform. All right, let’s hear from my friend, stephanie Dodie. Stephanie, thank you so much for coming on the flow business podcast today.Speaker 2: 2:22

I’m super excited to be here because I have been on your podcast feed many times, but never on this version of it.Speaker 1: 2:30

Yeah, I mean, yes, you know there’s been many versions, as we all know, many versions of today yes, exactly, and going with the flow of business. But yeah, so that’s why I wanted to have you on. First of all, you’re a friend. We have known each other for a long time. We are kind of like biz besties. We talk a lot about business and kind of the things that we’re up to and what we’re doing. We have both been on quite the journey and I always love hearing other people’s stories of how they got to where they are in their business. I know you have a great one. I know my listeners are going to really love it, and that’s why I wanted to bring you on just to kind of share your story for anyone that’s kind of teetering on like should I do this? Shouldn’t I do this? I want to do this, but I’m scared. You know all those things we kind of go through as we make decisions in our business. So that’s what we’re going to do today, I think. First, I want to kind of let people know where you’re at now so that we can kind of slowly get to that journey as you’re sharing your story. So tell people a little more about who you are and what you’re doing today in your business.Speaker 2: 3:37

So I’m a clinical nutritionist who coaches people into accepting their body, making peace with food and also how to coach other people doing the same thing. So I run a program called the non diet coaching certification where I take health professional and coaches to undiating diet culture that culture, free, way of helping people with food and body image and health and how to run a business that is in alignment to the same value. So how to run a business that does ethical selling with the feminist lens. That’s what I do these days.Speaker 1: 4:22

I love it so much and that man, you have been on such a journey to get to this point and, like, when you think back, you’re like, oh well, of course it had to happen this way in order to get where I am now, and there’s always, you know, a reason behind it. But I want to go all the way back to when you didn’t have a business and you weren’t doing this, and this wasn’t even in your realm of possibility, probably, of what you would be doing. So take us back to when you had a career. What were you doing?Speaker 2: 4:52

then L. Can I dial the clock even further back? G, yes, please do. L Just to contextualize my personal story. So I want to start the clock at 12 years old, when young Stephanie was growing up really fast physically and she was told that her body was too fat. And at 12, I was by my family and the environment of my family. The doctor told I needed to lose weight and I was sent to Weight Watcher and then. So my relationship to my body was that it’s not good enough and it needs to be shrunk in order to be acceptable. And the reason why I want to go back there in the context of my career and my business is that single event drove my career in the corporate world in the first few years into my business. So if you know anything about the human brain, we are born with kind of a blank slate brain and as we grow in society and with our family, we get like learnings and belief impregnated in our brain and that forms our self image, who we think we are as a person. And because of that event at 12, I believe that, not only in my body but as a human being, as a person, I wasn’t good enough. So as I entered a professional career, it became a mean to prove myself and my works into the world and I want people to like really understand because very few people makes like understand the connection between how we feel about our body and our self image or the belief we hold as a person. But it’s a direct correlation between the two. When we think that our body is not enough, our health is not enough, then we find other avenues in our life to prove our words to the world. Depending like I’m worthy, I can do this career thing. I can make a ton of money. Even though I live in a fat body, even though I can’t control my body, even though I’m sick, I can at least be performing in that part of my life. So that is from where I entered the corporate world. So at the age of 25, I entered the retail industry as a cashier, part-time cashier, punching number on a cash register and calling pricing on the microphone, always believing that I wasn’t good enough. So always doing my job as the perfect worker, like I was the perfect cashier, like selling credit card and like having the proper override rate. And because I was so conscientious and I’m using air quote here I was perfectionist. Very rapidly. My supervisor and my manager took notice and like, oh, she’s a good worker, she works really hard. Promoted and then promoted, and then promoted and then promoted and very quickly, within two years I became an assistant store manager, from part-time cashier to assistant manager and then I got into that role and again my perspective was how can I perform? So I would always look for places where I could be noticed. I could be told you’re doing a good job and if you know anything about the corporate world, that’s who they want. They want people to work really hard and do exactly things the way the corporate policy is laid out. And I fit the mold. So I got a store very quickly and I started climbing the corporate ladder and breaking the glass ceiling. So, depending on your age, you’re like what the heck is a glass ceiling? So let me just put that in perspective for everyone. The glass ceiling is an expression that we had and maybe it still exists today, but back in the days where women weren’t allowed to be in certain position in a company. So for me, as an example, I was the first district manager women in the entire existence of the company. That was 19.Speaker 1: 9:19

No, that was 2004.Speaker 2: 9:27

Wow, it’s mind-breaking to think about right, yeah, that’s crazy, that’s crazy. I was the first woman district manager in the entire company and the youngest and the reason why I was able to get this position. That was good. I was at what I was doing, but I was also working really really hard. In doing everything I was told to do, I was compliant to the T and then I got working really really hard and bypassed all the signals my body was giving me that I was working too much, because I was on the path to be the first woman to be vice president and I felt so rewarded and so good about myself with every layer of promotion that I would get out that I got addicted to working and we all know in the health world what that does to you, right?Speaker 1: 10:29

Oh, yes, for sure, and I feel like even just kind of addicted to the dopamine hit or whatever it is with these promotions, with just being praised things that weren’t happening in other areas of your life potentially.Speaker 2: 10:43

Oh, they weren’t happening because everything was around my corporate, climbing the corporate ladder. So I was 39 years old and I was about to go. Every quarter we would gather our people together and I was about to go on stage to talk to my people. At that point I was 37 years old and I was the vice president of this huge company and I collapsed as I, as I remember, walking from the backstage to the podium and the like, the world getting closer and closer and closer, to the point where, like, I couldn’t see anything and I just passed out and I got sent to the hospital and they did a series of tests on me, because you have to know that at that point I was off the diet plan and had gained a bunch of weight, because my entire life, from 12 to 39, was being on a diet, losing weight, being off the diet, gaining weight, losing, gaining, like I did, seven cycle of losing over 50 pounds and gaining it back and gaining more all the time. And it was off plan. I had to gain weight. So the doctor thought it was a heart attack and then they did a bunch of tests and then this young puzzle doctor came and sat at the tip of my bed and says I don’t know how, but you’re healthy. Like from the look of you, because I was fat, you look very unhealthy but you’re actually very healthy. So I think you had a panic attack, a very severe panic attack. You need to go see a counselor and a therapist and start taking anti anxiety medication. So I left there with a seven different prescription of medication of anxiety, depression and all kinds of stuff like that. And then I got introduced to the world of wellness. So how can we solve this problem of anxiety from the lands of holistic wellness? Back then, that’s like 11 years ago, the big thing was holistic wellness and I got steep anxiety and I got steep into this world and I couldn’t imagine how I could live a quote, unquote healthy life and be in the corporate world. The two didn’t, just didn’t match, and I took a leap of faith, the big leap of faith, and I left everything behind in the corporate world. So you just up and quit. Up and quit like we have to pound or nobody up and quit like it’s something that nurtures in your mind For a long time. For me was probably over a period of a year mm-hmm as I was Getting steeper in wellness and detoxes and clans and like all kinds of natural pasty, like all these things, everybody kept telling me this is too stressful of a job. You got to change your job like you can’t. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like. So it came to the conclusion it’s like it’s either my health or my job. So a bunch of coincidence, coincidence, quote-unquote, happen and I got a payout and I decided to leave my job. I took this opportunity to leave my job and started business, go back to school, get a certification and then start helping other people and that was my first Step into the world of entrepreneurship at 41 years old. 40 years old.Speaker 1: 14:19

So when you decided that you could not do that job anymore, you had to leave that career, did you know what your business was gonna look like? Did you have any idea? Did you done any sort of research on like, oh, I could be a coach, I could do this, I could take clients, or were you just like I’ll figure it out?Speaker 2: 14:39

No, no, and this is where this is where the the 12 year old story really is important at this point. So, through my journey and wellness, one of the thing that was made really clear to me is that in order for me to like be healthy, not only do I need to like take these supplements and do these clans, but I must be small and this whole like losing, gaining, losing, gaining, losing, gaining is not gonna allow you to be optimally healthy. And I had known that I had been 25 years dieting, had done all the diets, like literally all the diets, from like the cabbage soup diet to the banana diet, the Macro counting, like done it all, and I’m like nobody does not a diet in this world. That works for me. So let’s go study nutrition so that I can find what everybody else is missing as to why I cannot live permanently in a smaller body. So I chose to become a nutritionist because of my Desire that I didn’t know anything else. I had to control my weight. So I went back to school to become a nutritionist, knowing that I would start a business Operating a nutrition clinic. Does that make sense? Yes, yeah.Speaker 1: 16:02

So I mean, I think that’s what a lot of people who are in the wellness space do. They are interested in their own health or their own family or something’s gone on, and that was the case for me and I know a lot of people. You do it kind of for yourself, but then you’re like, oh, and I can help other people with this too. Whatever I learn for myself, whatever I learned through my own Kind of research and that kind of thing, then I can help other people. So I think that’s that’s normal and valid. When you were at that point, did you have any like fears or reservations About like this business working or not working, or what you would do if it didn’t?Speaker 2: 16:41

I. It was a leap of faith. I had no idea for what, not true? I Thought it has to work because there’s no other option. Like it’s either I’m dying or it’s working to get what I’m saying. Like there’s no other option. So was, and I think for some people who have been in the corporate world that will resonate with them. The only relationship I had to earning money or being in a career was survival. So going into the business world of saying like it’s got to work was just me continuing being in survival mode and like I’m gonna fucking figure this out because I can’t be any other way. So I was riddled with fear and anxiety. That was my normal stage on.Speaker 1: 17:27

Yeah, so you’re just applying it now, yeah applying it to a different space now, exactly yeah, which I mean isn’t great, but at the same time, it gave you a lot of push to make it work.Speaker 2: 17:41

So well, I was discussing that with somebody else on their podcast and we were both reflecting on our journey and saying, like it’s sad to say, but part of the reason why we’re successful is because we have that survival energy. Is that the only way to do it?Speaker 1: 17:57

No.Speaker 2: 17:59

That’s unfortunately one way. And I just want to add this the way business, coaching or business is thought on the internet is from the energy of survival, true. So I went from the corporate world and this is going to resonate with many people listening to this. I thought I knew how to sell and I was in for a freaking rude awakening when I started to sell nutrition and coaching online. I knew nothing. It’s not the same thing as selling a pair of pants or a bunch of toilet paper. It’s like it’s two different worlds. So I had a rude awakening and was like, oh my God, I need to learn business all over again from this angle here on how to sell wellness and nutrition. And I started to take programs to teach me how to do this and it was done from the place of survival, so it matched who I was at the time and it kept me going and that survival mode until it didn’t work again.Speaker 1: 19:12

Yeah, let’s move on to this. So now you’re nutritionist, you’ve gone through the training, we’ve gotten the certifications and you’re taking clients.Speaker 2: 19:21

Yeah, face to face. It was a traditional, because back then online coaching does not really exist, so it was a brick and mortar receptionist at the front appointment and I started to take clients and it was mostly women. I was attracting women and a year, 18 months, into my practice, I had this experience. There was a bodily like full body experience where a client her name is Christine bought a package to work with me to lose weight and she came to me on the third appointment and started crying and started saying like I’m trying really hard but nothing is working, and I’ve been through this for almost 25 years. She was repeating my entire story of my life and all my secret thoughts that I had about myself. She was like telling me how she felt and I had this like awakening moment, like, oh my God, I’m causing her to feel exactly the way that I feel.Speaker 1: 20:34

That’s big.Speaker 2: 20:36

That’s, it’s big and it feels disgusting in your body. Yeah, like I was doing to her what I was so running away from and hoping not to do, and that propelled me into my final part of my healing journey, which is realizing that dieting, food restriction, like all of that, is just a bunch of it’s a bunch of lies, we’ve been told, and that restricting food is actually more harmful than helpful and that trying to control your body weight is actually causing more harm and the stress you’re trying to run away from you’re causing it by trying to control the size of your body. And this whole the, the, the lies of wellness that I had been entrenched to all started to unpack within a year, and then I went on the journey of healing my relationship to my body, to myself and to food within a year and a half, and that changed my business completely.Speaker 1: 21:51

So really was it. That, was it that one client that really opened your eyes to this entire shift?Speaker 2: 22:00

Entire. Oh my gosh, you know, I don’t know. I’m sure you’ve had those, like you know, those defining moment in your life.Speaker 1: 22:06

You probably have like four or five right?Speaker 2: 22:10

Yes, absolutely, that you can like 911. Let’s all think about that. Who remember where they were at 911, what they were doing, which house they were living in and how they felt in their body, 100%? That’s the kind of moment with Christine it’s like so crystal clear yeah, and I think it needed to happen in order for me to make that next leap of faith that I could actually accept myself that I was good enough, that my body was good enough and that could be trusted with food After 25 years, like all I had known like. Think about this when you start controlling food at 12, all you’ve known as an adult is controlling food. I did not know how to eat without rules.Speaker 1: 23:03

Yeah. So then you really you first took the leap of faith with yourself Both times, and then yeah, and then from there you’re again very similar to how a lot of people, I think, get into this coaching space. Now I can share this with others. I took the leap of faith of myself. Now I’m going to take the leap of faith and make this my business.Speaker 2: 23:27

And throughout like this leap of faith and I’m going to show other people. I want people to recognize also that God or the universe, whatever you believe into, will send you people along the way to confirm you are on the right path. So as I was working with a counselor for my relationship to food and another one with my body image, clients kept coming in and they were all like on the same path as me, and as I was teaching them what I was learning, that they were like oh my God, why has nobody has ever told me this? And like so along the way it was like a leap of faith. But every step of the way, the in my case, the universe kept confirming, kept sending me moment to confirm I was on the right path. I was scared of shit, but I was on the right path.Speaker 1: 24:19

Yeah, and it doesn’t necessarily make it less scary, but it does make it so that you’re not going, you’re going to do it, you’re not like, you’re not going to listen to those signs, right?Speaker 2: 24:31

Yeah it’s like, oh my God, many other people need this. Why is nobody talking? Like? I remember the other another moment I remember is being with my counselor and about food and intuitive eating counselors. She was telling me this. I’m like I blurb it to her why has nobody taught me this in my degree nutrition? And then she start laughing. She says, well, because, like, if, if they had taught you about hunger and fullness and satisfaction, they could have not taught you about rules. So, as nutritionists are supposed to be the expert in eating, we were never taught about hunger, fullness and satisfaction. What the fuck? And I went through a phase of like many listeners will recognize that resentment, deep anger and resentment at having spent so much time Studying and so much money having all these certification. There was just a bunch of lies put together that, like, was not really helping people. So I had to go through a phase of grieving.Speaker 1: 25:29

Yeah, I understand that, and it kind of gets to this point where it’s like you know, I understand that, and it kind of gets to this point where it’s like I don’t know, I don’t know, like you had with your client, where it’s like man, everything I’m learning and now sharing with others is actually harming them. It actually might be doing more harm than good, even though my intentions are good. So now you have to rewrite your whole script and you have to find a new way to communicate what you actually now believe and see to be true. So what’d you do then? Like you’re currently seeing clients as a nutritionist, now you gotta shift gears.Speaker 2: 26:02

Well, that’s when we met. That’s when I started to. That’s when I closed the practice, so like when I was grieving and I was working with the council. At some point I’m like I can’t physically take people in a traditional nutrition world, so I close my practice and I at the same time coincidentally, I discovered this term called digital nomads and like again remember another sign from the universe, google, digital nomad and then I found this blog of this guy who was traveling while working and helping people online. I’m like that’s what I want to do now. And because I had like transition already from corporate to entrepreneur, I’m like, well, I survived, let’s try this next move. So I went to this next place. So I closed my practice and started to sell coaching online, not knowing what I was doing. Now I knew I had a coach, but I didn’t know how to sell online and funnels and webinars and I just so people have perspective. Seven years ago, doing a webinar online was an adventure. Agreed, I had to hire a VA so she could, in the background, connect all these things and like it was so complicated. I’m like I’ll never be able to do this.Speaker 1: 27:26

So I don’t think Zoom existed.Speaker 2: 27:28

No, no, there’s a tool called easy webinar. Nothing easy about it, yeah, but today it’s easy. You open zoom and boom, it was a record you’re going. Yeah, so. So I started an online business and I started sharing my story again but my new story and and started working with people from this angle and started networking and I started a podcast. That seven years ago. It’s going to be seven years in November to have a podcast, Nice.Speaker 1: 28:00

Is it crazy? That’s amazing, yeah, that’s. It’s amazing how fast it goes really.Speaker 2: 28:06

And then that’s what I started to share with people and sharing my story and finding people in the world who have the same problem as me and that needed help with that and I started to help them. And because the field of the non diet health coaching is brand new, I became one of the few people in the world to offer that. So I’m an OG in my field. I’m an original gangster and I’ve had eight years of active practice with people doing that, so I’m what people consider an expert. So now I teach other people how to transform their practice into this non diet approach. So that brings us to today. Oh my gosh, it’s amazing.Speaker 1: 28:54

Okay, I have lots of questions, so first of all, let me. Let me take it back to the digital nomad thing. So you figured out like, hey, I can do this online. You know, I can.Speaker 2: 29:10

I didn’t figure it out, Shawn, I like, oh, I like this idea. Let’s figure it out.Speaker 1: 29:15

Okay, so, yeah, so you’re like I’m going to make this work because this sounds amazing. Yes, and now where are you today? Just out of curiosity.Speaker 2: 29:24

So physically, my bum is sitting in the chair in Nicaragua, beautiful In San Juan del Suor, and a. I’m traveling with the company called OutSite A-U-T-S-I-T-E and I digital nomad for the last five years, except the pandemic to in some odd years, six to eight months a year, I traveled the world in different places while running my business. So you made it happen, I totally made it happen. It took about three years and actually, you know, we took our first trip together. Do you remember that? Yeah, that’s what.Speaker 1: 30:02

I was going to say we actually got to do a little digital nomadding together over in Spain for a conference, and then we went and did a little extra trip to Portugal together, yeah. And we went to my second one. We went to little cafes and worked and it was so fun. Yeah, I love it so much. So now it sounds to me like your business is really at least what it is today, and how you help clients and how you market yourself and everything is honestly really based on your vulnerability, you being willing to share your story in its entirety, and you know, when you do that, it’s like you naturally attract people. It seems like you’re naturally attracting the people that are in that same position, have had that same story. Maybe I’ve never shared it or heard anyone else share it before, and it comes from this place of it just being a very real, true, authentic way to market yourself, versus like doing all these other crazy things when really it’s just you having the desire and the ability to be vulnerable with what you’ve been through 100%.Speaker 2: 31:10

So it’s storytelling right. It’s telling your story in a way that will meet people where they are in words that will meet people where they are in a way that will feel safe to people and presenting them a way to work with you what I call like making a compelling offer. Telling people like this is where I am, this is what I learned, and now I work with people like you and I help them do this and this and this and that. Right, so I present, I invite people to work with me in a very safe way, instead of like creating an image online and having certificate in the back and I used to do all those things Like I used to have certification in the background of me and like positioning myself with credibility where now I’m like I’m just who I am with my story and if, dick, I can help you. Here’s a way of working with me.Speaker 1: 32:10

Yeah, that’s so very safe, so good People. Yeah, it feels good.Speaker 2: 32:15

It feels genuine good, trustworthy people. Just, I believe that my future client has the capacity, the intelligence, the capacity to make their decision to work with me. I don’t need to co-hers them. Here’s the price to work with me. Here’s the term. Do you want it?Speaker 1: 32:40

So powerful Because I trust people.Speaker 2: 32:42

I attract people who have a certain level of self-trust, that are able to just make that little bit of leap of faith, like I did, and then they work with me.Speaker 1: 32:51

Yeah. So, speaking of working with you, how is your business structured these days and how did you decide that that’s the best way to do that?Speaker 2: 33:00

So currently I have. So my model has been shifting over the last. So I started training other professional the fifth year into practicing with people. So I’ve been practicing one-on-one with people. So I’ve been running the program called Undyatt your Life, which is client-based introduction to a new way of being with food, building safety into your body and in mindset work for the last five years. So that program is like higher end out works really well.Speaker 1: 33:35

So if you’re wanting to do it right.Speaker 2: 33:38

Yeah, it’s a group program, it’s online. We now have a way of working one-on-one with coach that I train Nice, so they come out of my certification. I select the top one and then I bring them into this program and then you can choose to do the group or work one-on-one with them and then you learn the basic of intuitive eating, body neutrality and cognitive behavior coaching and then, if you’re a professional, you can choose that. That’s a model, like to do your own work. Or if you’re like no, I just want to like do it at a professional level and be certified. That’s the non-diet coaching certification, where we teach you how to do intuitive eating, body neutrality, cognitive behavioral coaching at a professional level. So we learn all the science in the back end and practice. We get coach on practicing. So I’ve got two ways of working with me on diet your life, which can be group or one-on-one, and then the non-diet coaching certification, where you work with me directly for six months.Speaker 1: 34:46

And then you are certified at the end of that six months and you know how to implement this into your own practice with your own clients.Speaker 2: 34:53

Yeah, it’s a tight certification, Like we do exams, we do coaching practicum. Like it’s not just like slap a logo you’ve done six months. Like you need to practice, you need to show that you practice, and all of that stuff.Speaker 1: 35:07

Oh, I love that so much and I know that you were really working hard to make that like a full certification, that is, you know, does everything you need it to do and has the exams and everything. I’m curious, the practitioners that come into that certification program, do they have to kind of undo the same things that they’ve learned in their nutrition or dietitian or you know whatever field they’re in, and kind of go through that same process of being a little angry?Speaker 2: 35:42

Yeah, it’s funny because I did a podcast interview right yesterday on like this whole grieving as a professional, and especially in this state. The price you guys pay for your degrees is just like insane. I have a professional in my certification right now who spent $80,000 of degrees between her master and her I don’t know first layer of degree. Like I’m Canadian. So our system is different and it’s like everything she’s learned there, or almost everything she’s learned there, she doesn’t believe in and she doesn’t apply anymore. So there’s grieving associated with that and it’s also recognizing that the reason why you went in the field in the first place is because you had disordered eating. There’s a statistic that was done in 17 countries, a research by survey of all nutrition student and 71% I think it’s the step 71 or 79% of student presented disordered eating behavior and said that that’s the reason why they chose their nutrition schooling, Just like me.Speaker 1: 37:08

Yeah, I mean me too. You know it’s looking back now. Would I have said that when I was in it? Absolutely not. Would I have said that even a couple of years after? No, no, but now that I’m in the place, I am yeah. Yeah, I can say that’s true for me too, for sure. What do you say, or do you have anything to say to the people that are a little defensive?Speaker 2: 37:31

of their purpose. Well, I’ll apply a coaching principle that’s called normalization, and this is why it’s so powerful. When we go through a journey of unlearning, oppressive, systemic teaching like diet culture, wellness culture, weight stigma, it’s very important that we learn how to coach people through their resentment, thought and their anger, thought right. So there’s a process called normalization and it’s a blend of thought, work in compassion, which is so for people listening to me. I have my two hands on my heart, okay, and it’s about meeting yourself with compassion, meeting yourself with holding that discomfort, that anger not making it wrong, not making it like right is just what is, and saying something along those lines. It’s totally normal for me to be angry at being taught that food restriction is the way to be, because I live in a world that is entrenched in wellness culture and diet culture. Companies make millions of dollars leading people to believe that the need to eat a certain way and they need to take this supplement and they need to do this. That’s totally normal. For me to feel angry at what I’ve been victim of makes total sense.Speaker 1: 38:59

So what about the people listening who are nutritionist dietitians, whatever they may be, and are defensive to you about their program?Speaker 2: 39:10

It makes total sense that you’d be angry at me. Yeah, makes total sense because right now, your belief system, the way you think about nutrition, is that it needs to be controlled. And it makes total sense for you to think that because that’s what you were taught in school and that’s what you’re reflected everywhere in society by all these multi billion dollar corporation that makes money telling people that they cannot be trusted with food. So for sure makes total sense. You’re angry with me and I’ll be there. Whenever you come to the realization that human can be trusted with their health and food, I’ll be right here. I’m available when you feel ready. I don’t make you wrong. Don’t make me wrong. Like, just do your thing, I’ll do mine. When you feel ready, I’ll be right here.Speaker 1: 40:00

I love that so much. And speaking of, what about the people that are now interested in this certification and really learning this and applying it to their practice? I would love for the listeners to go see what you’re up to.Speaker 2: 40:12

So you’re welcome. So there’s two podcasts. I have two podcasts. I have the Going to Beyond the Food show that’s been running for seven years. I would be the place for you to start. I would start with the last let’s say, 300 to 385 episodes. See what I’m about. There’s also a podcast that specialized just for professional, called Undyatt your Coaching, and I take people through all of that and then you can come and check out the non diet coaching certification. See if that place is where you want to go. And I want to say to people one of the coaching principle we teach is to make quality decision. So you may feel anxious right now I’m hearing me like deconstructing all these beliefs that you have, but you’re like I don’t know why, but it just feels right. I don’t know why, right. So I want you to think about considering my teaching from a place of. Is that who you want to become? Do you want to become someone who trusts your client with their food decision, who accepts body diversity, who doesn’t make people wrong because of the size of their body? Do you want to be someone who teaches that people know how to take care of their health themselves? They may need coaching, but they don’t need to be made right or wrong about their health behavior. They need to be taught how to adopt health promoting behavior. If that’s who you want to become, then the leap of faith is there again. I’m here to teach it to you. But don’t make a decision from a place of. I’m not sure that I can do this. I know you can and I will hold the space for you. You need to make the decision for who you want to become.Speaker 1: 42:08

Yeah, absolutely. And all of that work is just such powerful, important work to be able to add to how you’re helping people in this world, you know, in such a big, big way. So thank you so much, stephanie. This is so fun, as always. Where can people go? So the podcast and actually I’m going to be on the undiet, your coaching podcast. So at minimum listen to that and then just keep binging it. And then where else, like website or social what do you prefer? Stephaniedodziecom Simple as that Yep, and we’ll put it.Speaker 2: 42:45

StephanieDodziecom or Instagram Steph Dodzie.Speaker 1: 42:48

And we’ll put it on the show notes so that’ll be easy to find. Thank you so much for being here Super fun, always good to chat with you.Speaker 2: 42:55

Until next time.Speaker 1: 42:56

Until next time, of course. There will always be a next time, we can guarantee that.

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